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Post by Penanimate
on April 2, 2001:
But Disney is a business, after all, and they know there is a lull in animation right now. I'm sure they feel confident that if the current animator balk at their revised salaries, they'll be able to replace them from the ranks of unemployed professionals in L.A. and the legions of talented wannabes currently parking cars at Epcot...
Post by emeraldas
on April 2, 2001:
Disney hasn't been making as much money as it used to lately, not because they're paying the animators too much, but because the quality of the films has gone down. I can only hope that Atlantis, Lilo and Stitch, and the other films Disney's planning are better than some of the others they've made lately. And I hope that it makes Disney realize how valuable their animators really are.
Posted by Fried
Egg on April 3, 2001:
Maybe a strike is what the animation industry needs to help turn itself around. The strike in '41 lead way to small animation studios opened by disgruntled animators.
Posted by Penanimate
on April 4, 2001:
Ironically, the 80's strike may have something to do with this fiscal tightening. The Tigger Movie was produced "offshore" for significantly less than Emperor (they came out roughly around the same time). Tigger generated more revenue relative to its cost than Emperor did, and those sorts of things open the money boys' eyes really quick.
Sorry to beat the same drum over and over, but don't forget Disney is a business. If they think there's more profit (despite lower revenues) from offshore production, then that's where they'll head. They don't care one whit about art quality or "legacy". Those are quaint notions ascribed to the "artsy" types. As long as we let them drive our thinking, the business types will always have it over us.
Posted by Fried
Egg on April 4, 2001:
If there was a strike
at Disney, I could see more studios being opened and a new era beginning,
just as a new era started after the strike in 41 and the introduction
of computer assisted animation. I wasnt comparing any era with another,
just that I think a strike would change animation and for the good. (Hopefully).
I would like to see smaller studios (like bitter films) get more recognition,
a greater acceptance of independent animators, and Disney lose a hold
of the monopoly they hold so tightly in their fist. I agree it all comes
down to numbers, and a business is a business, I would like to see it
spread around a little more evenly.
Posted by Slim
Shinji on April 24, 2001:
Posted by D.E.E.P.
on April 24, 2001:
How can they make any sort of profit when they lay off all of their prominent artists and cut the film budgets down to bits? Don't they know that low quality films like The Emperor's New Groove and Atlantis don't make Lion King sort of profits because they suck? And for how long could they strive on second rate DTV sequels? Eventually, their reputation will go down the drain and nobody's going to want to work for them at all. Maybe they should turn to Pixar (a smart company which puts quality first) for advice on how to run a business (and make good films)...
Posted by Mike
2D on April 25, 2001:
...The company needs fewer Tarzans and more Iron Giants. I know that might sound like a bad example, but even though Iron Giant was a disaster at the B.O., any doofus who saw the film, myself included , knows it could have been a huge success if any marketing had been pushed on it at all. And it was cheap. The film was brought in on time and under budget. And what was the core, heart, and soul of that film? THE STORY! The first and foremost important aspect of any film, regardless if it's live action or animation.
Posted by Evil_Phil
on April 26, 2001:
Why revolve around Winnie the Pooh and the success of the Tigger Movie? No wonder its such a success when its rubbed in everyone's faces from the day they are born... I just wish Disney would give it a break instead of running what were a selection of decent enough characters and stories into the ground.
I can't believe what Disney is doing to themselves. I've got to agree that Pixar should be wary of the way things are going. I think that if they did sever all ties with the company when their contract finishes they will have enough money and talent to succeed on their own.
I thought when DreamWorks entered the picture Disney would start to buck up their ideas, but....no, instead they continue to belt out cheap crappy DTV and TV versions of what is looking to be virtually all their 'Classics'. I think they should think about what they are releasing and when they are doing it. I think it could be a good idea to stop trying to release a feature every year- alternate between computer and 2D. At least that way we may start to see films worth watching, that have a good story and are well animated. Disney shouldn't need to be pushing for an 'classic' every year, they have enough other areas in the company to rely on.
Posted by bighead72
on May 2, 2001
If you look at the past two years, there have been four animated movies released...
Tarzan - June 1999
Before June 1999, Disney movies were released once a year all the way back to Oliver and Company in 1988. the only variation was a longer pause between Aladdin in Nov. '92 and Lion King in June '94. Based on the future movie schedule, it appears that Disney is scaling back to only one movie a year (on average) again. Technically, they should be losing almost half of their staff since there is half as much work to do.
Granted this doesn't really explain the pay cuts - but it seems to me that staff cuts make sense if Disney is not wanting to produce more than one feature a year. What would they do with all of the staff? I guess I tend to give Eisner a bit of credit for trying the accelerated schedule - but for whatever reason it didn't work out.
If all of this is true, the quality of the films is NOT going to go down. They would simply be on the same production schedule as many of their previous movies. I think you could make a strong argument that the quality of the films may in fact go up due to more focus on a single movie.
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